Tuesday, July 31, 2012

new investor - silver or gold?

  1. new investor - silver or gold?

    I decided to completely invest in precious metals after I lost a grand in stocks overnight...basically paper money that evaporated.

    I can put away about $500-600 per month at the moment, what should I primarily be buying? I'm mainly buying for investments as I'd eventually like to sell of part of the collection to buy a house without taking out a mortgage.

    Over the weekend, I've bought about 20 ASE at $30.80 which is about $4 over spot. With 1/10th gold, the best price I can get is $182 which still looks like $20 over spot. Should I just go massing ASE or buy some 1/10th AGE at a huge premium? Or maybe even build up the ASE collection and trade up for 1oz AGE?

  2. Senior Member bsowa1029's Avatar
    Im sure I wont be the first to tell you this but don't rely on only PM's
  3. I would prefer to invest in gold coins.
  4. Hamster Phil Ham's Avatar
    If it is for an investment, don't buy bullion. If it is for love of coins, buy coins. I would go for silver because I think it is undervalued over gold but I'm totally guessing.
  5. Self confessed hoarder medoraman's Avatar
    Its always dangerous to make investment choices based upon only a short period. This is a sucker move, just like small investors always want to invest in the fund that did the best alst quarter.

    For "investing", you need to keep your eye on where you want to go, not where you are. This is why most advise diversified portfolios to reduce overall risk.

    The problem with the PM market is the large buy/sell spread. Lets say the market was flat for a few years, and you go to sell those ASE's you just bought. Well, you just lost about 10% sir, since the dealer will not pay you what you bought them for. That is assuming the market will be flat, with the tremendous runup of PM in the last 5-10 years there is a distinct chance it could go down. You are not buying PM at the bottom of the market by a long shot, and its possible you are buying at the top.

    For those reasons I would suggest caution and diversification. If you know you need this money in 3-5 years, even though the yields suck, the best place for the money in probably in cd's.

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  7. Coin Collector Victor's Avatar
    I would put a little money into both gold and silver. The tenth oz. for $182 is probably the best price available right now.
  8. Member awwatchdog1's Avatar
    Why not Bullion?

    If it is for an investment, don't buy bullion. If it is for love of coins, buy coins. I would go for silver because I think it is undervalued over gold but I'm totally guessing.

  9. Coin Hoarder Morgandude11's Avatar
    I decided to completely invest in precious metals after I lost a grand in stocks overnight...basically paper money that evaporated.

    I can put away about $500-600 per month at the moment, what should I primarily be buying? I'm mainly buying for investments as I'd eventually like to sell of part of the collection to buy a house without taking out a mortgage.

    Over the weekend, I've bought about 20 ASE at $30.80 which is about $4 over spot. With 1/10th gold, the best price I can get is $182 which still looks like $20 over spot. Should I just go massing ASE or buy some 1/10th AGE at a huge premium? Or maybe even build up the ASE collection and trade up for 1oz AGE?

    Investing in ANYTHING should be viewed as a LONG TERM commitment. The only way to lose money in investing is to sell quickly at a loss. So whatever you do, look for 5-10 years down the road and not the immediate forecast. As far as gold, I can't see much more room for inflation of gold prices, given how high it is. That market will come down soon, as it is unsustainably high.
  10. Junior Member zachfromnj's Avatar
    Put $350 in the bank and invest $250
  11. Why on earth buy 1/10...the premiums on fractionals are higher
  12. As a lot of folks have suggested, diversify. Don't put everything in PM, and don't expect a return on your investment quickly. With the way things are now, especially in an election year, the trouble in Europe, etc (the same things making the stock markets uneasy), you could see a decline in your investment, which is just as likely as unlikely.

    I like PM's as an investment over time for many reasons, and will continue to add over time, more or less at a time based upon current price and trends.

    I currently have a ratio where I invest in both in about the same monetary value. My current ratio target is about 50:1, silver to gold. So, for every 50 ounces of silver (roughly $1400 at spot), I also pick up one ounce of gold (roughly $1600 spot). I feel it's good to have both metals.

    My opinion is to also have different types and sizes of each. I've got a good amount of 1/5/10 oz bars, along with 1oz "rounds" or "pucks" (i.e. bullion grade ASE's and other coins) for silver, and 1/10, 1/4 and 1oz gold, some bullion grade, some I'm going to send out for grading ('86 gold eagles, '08 double eagle). I like the look and collectibility of proof ASE's, and consider them both collectibles as well as pure bullion if absolutely needed.

    Hope this helps in some way.

  13. Why on earth buy 1/10...the premiums on fractionals are higher

    Agreed the premiums may be higher, but I believe fractionals, even as small as 1/10 are very useful. You can find them for low over spot if you're buying just bullion grade, and they're much easier to offload if you're looking for just a small amount of cash at the time. In my view, people who can easily afford $200 for 1/10 or $400 for 1/4 are much more readily available than someone who has $1600-$1800 in a shot to buy a full ounce.
  14. Mister Variety kookoox10's Avatar
    Again, diverse your portfolio with a couple different types of investments. I would ride the silver train, it's cheap right now. And the speculator train will start to move to run concurrently with the Mayan calendar "end of days" hoo ha. Probably go until mid-november and then sell them off.
  15. TomB Everywhere Else Tom B's Avatar
    You can lose a substantial sum of money overnight with precious metals, too. In both cases (stocks and precious metals), however, you don't lose anything if you don't sell at the new, lower level. Read and learn. During that time, perhaps you simply sock the extra money away into a savings account. I realize this has no real return on investment, but it is liquid and keeps you from making poor decisions in the early going.

    Personally, I have been buying gold and silver for quite a few years.

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